Finally coming back to this. Eheh--timeliness be not my middle name, forsooth. Ahem.
the relationship could somehow be a "healthy" one... and it's that idea, or the idea that I should accept such possibilities based on UST alone without a metric f-ton of justification, that really makes me bristle
I tend to agree with you there. There's far too much that needs addressing to simply throw them together, and I don't think they could ever have anything that would be classified as 'healthy'. I mean...I suppose that it's possible they might, with enough effort and care on the author's part, achieve something past all the hate-power-frustration dynamic. Brad and Alias have been working on an extensive RP project with Nii and Kou for over a year now; and within the context of the fic-verse thus created I can accept the possibility that they are capable of coming to a point of mutual affection. But I still find myself doing that step-back these-are-different-versions-of-the-characters-than-I-write thing you mentioned; and it's only within that storyline thus far that I'm willing to consider it, and only because of all the depth of work and thought put into it and the development over time and the addressing of issues. But I'd still hesitate to label it healthy, and I doubt that Nii could ever truly be good for Kou. I like the idea that they could find a happy ending, sure; but it just doesn't strike me as very plausible. For all the obvious reasons. I made a brief attempt at writing them in something longer than a drabble that doesn't focus on all the Issues and Angst; the *only* way I could make it work for me was to throw it into the realm of complete crack and call it OOC for good measure. (shrug) So yeah. I can completely feel where you're coming from.
Erm. To completely change the topic for a moment, what exactly is a metric f-ton? I've seen both you and Tav use the term; clearly it implies massive quantities and/or amounts but I'd never heard the expression and was curious about where it might have come from.
Agh. I don't mean to sound so elitist, nor do I want to be at all discouraging
Not to worry. Like I said, I completely get where you're coming from. I agree with a lot of it too.
(Your Goujun feels much much closer to mine, only different in superficial things and situations, not such a completely different core identity.)
Ahhh, yes, Goujun. I'm so in awe of what you've done for him. How's 'Discovery' coming along for you, btw? Any luck with progress yet?
And y'know, I'm utterly in awe of MJJ's Goujun too, and all the history and tradition she's set him in. But he's so very very *stuffy*, too; and while it works for him in her hands, I find that I prefer to write him...well, certainly he's stiff and formal to a great degree but he's also a bit more...vulnerable, perhaps, underneath. More...more human, in a way. Metaphorically speaking. You give him that same sort of real-ness, of having flaws and insecurities that he keeps locked within; and that's probably why I'm so utterly in love with him your work.
Anyway. Now to finish that NiiKou essay that's been simmering on the back burner for the past couple months. And finish that Kou/Goujun crack thingy that's been sitting around even longer.
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Date: 2005-08-04 02:30 am (UTC)the relationship could somehow be a "healthy" one... and it's that idea, or the idea that I should accept such possibilities based on UST alone without a metric f-ton of justification, that really makes me bristle
I tend to agree with you there. There's far too much that needs addressing to simply throw them together, and I don't think they could ever have anything that would be classified as 'healthy'. I mean...I suppose that it's possible they might, with enough effort and care on the author's part, achieve something past all the hate-power-frustration dynamic. Brad and Alias have been working on an extensive RP project with Nii and Kou for over a year now; and within the context of the fic-verse thus created I can accept the possibility that they are capable of coming to a point of mutual affection. But I still find myself doing that step-back these-are-different-versions-of-the-characters-than-I-write thing you mentioned; and it's only within that storyline thus far that I'm willing to consider it, and only because of all the depth of work and thought put into it and the development over time and the addressing of issues. But I'd still hesitate to label it healthy, and I doubt that Nii could ever truly be good for Kou. I like the idea that they could find a happy ending, sure; but it just doesn't strike me as very plausible. For all the obvious reasons. I made a brief attempt at writing them in something longer than a drabble that doesn't focus on all the Issues and Angst; the *only* way I could make it work for me was to throw it into the realm of complete crack and call it OOC for good measure. (shrug) So yeah. I can completely feel where you're coming from.
Erm. To completely change the topic for a moment, what exactly is a metric f-ton? I've seen both you and Tav use the term; clearly it implies massive quantities and/or amounts but I'd never heard the expression and was curious about where it might have come from.
Agh. I don't mean to sound so elitist, nor do I want to be at all discouraging
Not to worry. Like I said, I completely get where you're coming from. I agree with a lot of it too.
(Your Goujun feels much much closer to mine, only different in superficial things and situations, not such a completely different core identity.)
Ahhh, yes, Goujun. I'm so in awe of what you've done for him. How's 'Discovery' coming along for you, btw? Any luck with progress yet?
And y'know, I'm utterly in awe of MJJ's Goujun too, and all the history and tradition she's set him in. But he's so very very *stuffy*, too; and while it works for him in her hands, I find that I prefer to write him...well, certainly he's stiff and formal to a great degree but he's also a bit more...vulnerable, perhaps, underneath. More...more human, in a way. Metaphorically speaking. You give him that same sort of real-ness, of having flaws and insecurities that he keeps locked within; and that's probably why I'm so utterly in love with
himyour work.Anyway. Now to finish that NiiKou essay that's been simmering on the back burner for the past couple months. And finish that Kou/Goujun crack thingy that's been sitting around even longer.